MyDD :: Maybe Hillary Should Ask Bill When The 92 Campaign Effectively Ended...

Maybe Hillary Should Ask Bill When The 92 Campaign Effectively Ended...

by Bobby Obama, Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:27:01 PM EST

Interesting info from My Life here via Political Wire from Nat

Despite Sen. Hillary Clinton's insistence that her husband didn't clinch the Democratic presidential nomination until June 1992, Bill Clinton had a very different recollection in his own memoir, My Life.

He writes: "On April 7, we also won in Kansas, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. On April 9, Paul Tsongas announced that he would not reenter the race. The fight for the nomination was effectively over."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/0 5/26/when_was_the_1992_presidential_race _over.html
http://natthedem.com/blog/?p=586

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One must wonder about the intellectual honesty of Hillary's statement about June and 1992, especially when her husband has said things like this in a book.

But i can already forsee the spin. Perhaps Hillary meant the race was not over, because voting was not over. Even though the math did not add up then either, like now, perhaps that is the spin?

Thoughts?

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Tags: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, My Life, 1992, 2008, Barack Obama (all tags)

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I am not suprised (2.00 / 1)

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I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson

by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:28:28 PM EST

Hillary should also (none / 0)

ask how her husband won. You may recall, he was in THIRD PLACE in the polls in June. now, all of a sudden, we should only nominate a person who's winning polls RIGHT NOW.

The hypocrisy, and the lack of respect for what was truly a remarkable achievement, is stunning.

by southernman on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:29:22 PM EST

I was told (2.00 / 1)

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:30:00 PM EST

Re: I was told (2.00 / 1)

I'm giving this mojo, because whether you're intending to be funny or not, this got a chuckle out of me.

Though at the time of me writing this, you don't seem to have finished your comment string.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:37:36 PM EST
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I totally screwed it up! (none / 0)

its a bit embarrassing really...

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:44:12 PM EST
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By some Obama supporters (none / 0)

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:30:14 PM EST

That this (none / 0)

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:30:26 PM EST
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Re: That this (2.00 / 2)

you not stringing them correctly

by reggie23 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:32:38 PM EST
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Re: That this (2.00 / 2)

"you are" of course

by reggie23 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:33:17 PM EST
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I knew (2.00 / 3)

I would screw it up, my heart just wasn't in in ;)

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:43:18 PM EST
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'92? I challenge you . . . (2.00 / 1)

to link to one single quote from one person in the media or politics who was pressuring Jerry Brown to drop out - - not one single person did, even tho' he stayed in months and months after everyone assumed Clinton had wrapped it up. Why the different rules for Hillary? Compare how McCain treated Huckabee's last stand.

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:38:48 PM EST

Re: '92? I challenge you . . . (2.00 / 1)

So we catch the Clintons in another, shall we say, counterfactual assertion, and your response is to flat out ignore it and go off in another direction.

She said something that she either knows to be untrue, or she damned well should. This isn't the first time it's happened either. Now we just need to find her on tape saying something about her husband effectively winning in April and we can do Tuzla all over again.

She's either got a terrible memory, or she really wants to have a terrible memory.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:40:55 PM EST
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I repeat the challenge . . . (1.50 / 2)

did anyone pressure any MALE candiate to drop out in prior years after it was wrapped up by the eventual winner?
Hell, Teddy in '80 went to the convention and forced a floor vote with 35% of the delegates (Hillary's at 48%).

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:43:54 PM EST
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Sure. It happened this season. (none / 0)

Look what happened to Romney and Huckabee the day after Super Tuesday.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:45:25 PM EST
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No. They let Huckabee play it out. (1.00 / 0)

He stayed in all the southern primaries he wanted to, and no one hounded him.
Romney dropped out because he hardly won anything.
By anyone's metric, HRC has at least 48% of votes and elected delegates.
If Teddy could go to the convention in '80 with 35%, why not Hillary?
Hmmm . . . how's Hillary different than Jerry Brown, or Bill Bradley, or Ted Kennedy?
Third time's a charm - - my original challenge for a link stands!

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:52:55 PM EST
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Re: No. They let Huckabee play it out. (2.00 / 1)

Huckabee was allowed to play out because he didn't start throwing the kitchen sink at McCain. Had he done so, the party would have excommunicated him. As it stood, they simply ignored him and coalesced around McCain. The media also realized the race was over and declared McCain the nominee.

So it happened this very season.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:23:10 PM EST
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Re: I repeat the challenge . . . (2.00 / 1)

May I take your silence to mean that you can't counter what I've said? Please, continue to ignore my point. It feels great.

In response to YOURS:

"Newsweek - Feb 4, 1980

But some worried among themselves whether their solicitations were really meant to retire back debts preparatory to an early Kennedy secession from the race. A reporter put their question to him directly: would he withdraw? Kennedy's head jerked angrily around. "No!" he barked, disappearing into a waiting elevator."

and

"The Washington Post - June 6, 1980

As he has done scores of times in the last few weeks, Kennedy fended off all the reporters' suggestions that his cause is hopeless."

So, yes, it has happened. And before you say that Carter wasn't asking him to drop out, OBAMA ISN'T ASKING CLINTON TO DROP OUT EITHER.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:06:39 PM EST
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Re: I repeat the challenge . . . (none / 0)

1. All of the contenders were males.
2. 1984, Hart quit on his own after Mondale got the majority of delegates. Mondale got the majority of delegates after the primaries were over and before the convention.

3. Many in the Democratic Party called for Teddy Kennedy to end his bid in 1980 against Carter. Teddy Kennedy forced a floor fight and democrats did not get the white house back for 12 years when Bill Clinton won. That is why the party hates the idea of a floor fight at the convention.

If Obama gets the majority of pledged delegates between now and the convention, will Hillary drop out?

That is the main question.

We shall overcome. Yes we can.

by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:29:26 PM EST
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I gotta say. . . (2.00 / 1)

I love your username!

by Radiowalla on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:55:58 PM EST
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If I was having this debate (2.00 / 1)

on kos, wouldn't people be cursing and TR'ing each other by now? LOL

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:02:25 PM EST
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Re: If I was having this debate (none / 0)

Did you ever answer the question about what Clinton said, or did you just skip it by asking him a question and moving on?

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:19:59 PM EST
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Look at the chain - - (1.00 / 0)

I started by asking a question that no one has answered. They've countered with questions. But no one answered mine.
For the fourth time, please link to anyone ever being pressured out of a race after the talking heads declare it's over. Ever.

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:26:29 PM EST
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Re: Look at the chain - - (none / 0)

Look up, fool. I answered your question slightly above here.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:27:31 PM EST
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"Look up, fool" ??? (2.00 / 1)

Good bye.

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:30:15 PM EST
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Re: "Look up, fool" ??? (none / 0)

Ah, you can read?

Just selectively, it seems.

You've earned a little scorn, frankly, by asking the same question over and over and over again, and managed to badger someone for not answering it, when I already had.

Show some humility, and I'll accord you the respect you are due.

Which is, by the way, exactly what I'm doing now. You have ignored my question, even though I answered yours. You've also failed to acknowledge that I answered it.

Do you see why I might be a little disdainful of you? You're willing to play games, but not engage.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:33:44 PM EST
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If you're into name calling (2.00 / 1)

please don't engage me in the future. Thanks.

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:46:33 PM EST
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Re: If you're into name calling (none / 0)

So that's it, then? The only thing you respond to is a mild insult?

Any degree of actually answering your question will be ignored, but if I call you a fool you'll respond?

I will absolutely call you out on something if I possess the facts and reason. I lash out when I'm ignored and I see silly things.

Sometimes people deserve to be called names, because sometimes they learn from it. Any chance you might, oh I don't know, actually chew on this instead of just getting mad? I am the only one who did you the courtesy of answering your question. You ignored me, and demanded that someone else answer it, and you are mad at me?

Please, think how that must look to someone other than yourself.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:52:15 PM EST
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I'm not mad at you. (1.00 / 0)

I just avoid people who "lash out". That's not that the type of discourse I enjoy.
So, take it easy and have a good night.

John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!

by kosnomore on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:11:07 AM EST
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Re: Look at the chain - - (none / 0)

You've received multiple examples; you've simply chosen to ignore them. You can keep asking the question until November, but don't be surprised when you keep receiving the same answers.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:28:02 PM EST
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Re: Look at the chain - - (none / 0)

But why did you answer a question with a question to begin with? Wouldn't have been polite to answer his question, then rebut with your own? It certainly would've made it clear you weren't avoiding it.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:37:59 PM EST
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Re: Maybe Hillary Should Ask Bill When The 92 Camp (2.00 / 0)

heck, I voted for Jerry Brown in the CA primaries - so, I didn't think my vote didn't count or that I threw it away.

and CA was late in 1992

by colebiancardi on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:45:51 PM EST

Re: Maybe Hillary Should Ask Bill When The 92 Camp (none / 0)

So... Bill's misremembering in this article?

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:20:27 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

jesus...Bill said effectively.

That means not quite. Presumptive. Assumed.

He did not lock up the nomination until the California primary in June.

by americanincanada on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:28:56 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Isn't that what we've claimed Obama has done? Then why is this different?

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:30:02 PM EST
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It all depends on what the meaning of (none / 0)

is is.

The problem is that Hillary is in Brown's position when this race is compared to Bills 1992 race.

Brown needed every delegate and Clinton needed every other delegate. In this race Obama needs about one in three delegates and Clinton need two in three delegates.

The real lesson from history is that if you are not ahead by June, forget about it.

Details here to about 50 years of nomination history:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/24/ 182825/912/539/522209

We shall overcome. Yes we can.

by Sam Wise Gingy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:36:29 PM EST
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Re: Maybe Hillary Should Ask Bill When The 92 Camp (none / 0)

New York Times
Tuesday, May 27, 2008

THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Pennsylvania; Pennsylvania Governor Criticizes Process That's Turning to Clinton

By MICHAEL DECOURCY HINDS,
Published: April 24, 1992

With Pennsylvania's primary only days away, the state's Democratic Governor today criticized his party's Presidential primary process -- and its likely nominee, Bill Clinton -- saying the process had produced a front-runner who could not win. He urged the party's uncommitted delegates to remain neutral so that a stronger nominee could be selected at the convention this summer.

"We have to recognize reality," Gov. Robert P. Casey said in an interview today. "The primary process is not producing someone who has a good crack at winning in November." Pennsylvania Democrats hold their primary next Tuesday.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?res=9E0CE0D8123FF937A15757C0A96495826 0

PUMA plants.

by jv on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:36:32 AM EST

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